Diskusní fórum modelářů

Vl.Šulc píše:Dominik: Not necessarily. Is there one aircraft only on the film? Is really the same aircraft shown on the inside shots and on outer shots? What is S/N of the aircraft? What is history of the aircraft? Is it really operational aircraft, or a test piece for testing new devices? Which airport it is?

The mentioned date is also not sure. Are you sure the bottom surfaces are black/whitte? Are you sure they aren´t Black/Sky?

It is possible, that some Mk.I really had engine pump. I´m even pretty sure there were some such equipped Mk.Is around, but we don´t know which ones they were. And if you haven´t exact indication which aircraft had this device, you know nothing and you must use the standard device, which was hand pump. Same is valid for the seat and other devices.

PR is a code of 609 squadron. And even if the undersurfaces is Sky/Night it doesn't mean anything that only one plane had this device.

Actually around firts minute it's clearly visible that undersides are Black/White/Aluminium. Around fifth minute it's also clearly visible.
https://youtu.be/nv2x6RQxFDo
In this, longer version, you can see overpainted number. Although it's poorly seen, it looks like letter P (8.21 minute).
To summarize. It's a Spitfire made before 6th June, delivered to No 609 West Riding Auxiliary Air Force squadron. It shows the before mentioned device.
You can find full, four-part film. It's worth watching and learn something new.
Tomorrow I'll try to post some photos of No 92 squadron for your designer to make correct markings of Alan Wright's Spitfire.

Bude k MiGu-19 brassin cockpit, nebo alespoň sedačka?

Vl.Šulc píše:

Miroslav Knížek píše:Tak můžete vybrat menší borce nebo spíš nestandartní markingy nebo kamufláže....

No to můžeme, a asi to i uděláme. Ale jen ve stavebnicích bude už na výběr nějakých 18 mašin. Slovy klasika, kdo to má, tohle?

Eduard přeci Ale znáte to, s jídlem roste chuť
V posledních dnech je modelářský trh zaplavován Fekkery Dr.1 1/32 od Mengu a já jako správnej modelářskej pošuk ho mám samosebou taky již doma. Zrovna se tu nad ním rozplývám.
Nábízí se tedy otázka zdali Vás zláká udělat na tento modelářský BESTSELLER nějaký ten doplněček. Přimlouval bych se aspoň za Look. Pár atraktivních obtisků by také nebylo marných

No, já Vám nevím, pane Knížku, Look na Dr.I...to si nejsem jistý, zda má smysl. Ale něco na to uděláme, přinejmenším lepty, ty se neztratí. Tedy asi takhle, ono se toho kolem těhle modelů víc nakecá než prodá. Tedy dokud to byly WnW, ale nemyslím si, že by na tom Meng něco extra změnil.

Dominik: you can´t be 100% sure in all these conclusions. It is possible, but not sure. There are too many lies and tricks in these old films, to confuse the enemy, so it is better to be skeptical. However, of you will trust every is correct, you actually know the only thing: one Spitfire Mk.I of unknown S/N was equipped with engine driven hydrauic pump. But you can´t do a general conclusion. It doesn´t mean that all other Mk.I were built with the same equippment. Same is with many other devices. Head armour is a good example, although some aircraft had this armor already in Spring 1940, it wasn´t a standard device untill end of 1940, and most, even significant majority, of Mk.I, didn´t have this armor.

I expect you know this: https://www.historynet.com/spitfire-from-the-sands.htm

Jiří píše:Bude k MiGu-19 brassin cockpit, nebo alespoň sedačka?

Brassin kokpit asi ne, sedačka ano. Ale ne přímo v modelu.

Jo, Dominik, I saw that film many times. I live with the bloody Spitfire longer than with my wife Loving both, of course

Koho více?
(Whom do you love more?)

Ženu, samozřejmě

A Spitfire to ví?
Protože pokud jsem slyšel, tak to je nějaká stíhačka...
(edit: Stíhačkou myslím samozřejmě Spitfira, aby nedošlo k mýlce. Čeština je krásná, ale dovede být i zrádná.)

Dr.I se prodávat bude vždycky. Možná že to je nejprodávanější model z WW I obecně. Vždyť vy to budete vědět jak je to s vašema Dr. I prodáváte je pořád dokola jestli se nepletu....
Jo asi máte pravdu s tim lookem, on ten Fokker ani pořádnou palubku asi nemá.

U nás jsou nejlépe prodávané čtvrtky z WWI Albatros D.V a Nieuport 17. Dr.I kupodivu ne. Ve dvaasedmdesátině zase kupodivu ano, spolu s Albatrosem D.V. A tam se zase míň prodává Nieuport 17

No ono to nieuportí spodní křídlo je ve dvaasedmdesátině už dost titěrné a spolu s véčkovou vzpěrou a výplety už je to trochu piplačka. Zatímco na tu dlouhou tlustou vzpěru u Dr.I se křídla nacvaknou v podstatě sama (stavěl jsem obojí).

Vl.Šulc píše:No, já Vám nevím, pane Knížku, Look na Dr.I...to si nejsem jistý, zda má smysl. Ale něco na to uděláme, přinejmenším lepty, ty se neztratí. Tedy asi takhle, ono se toho kolem těhle modelů víc nakecá než prodá. Tedy dokud to byly WnW, ale nemyslím si, že by na tom Meng něco extra změnil.

Dominik: you can´t be 100% sure in all these conclusions. It is possible, but not sure. There are too many lies and tricks in these old films, to confuse the enemy, so it is better to be skeptical. However, of you will trust every is correct, you actually know the only thing: one Spitfire Mk.I of unknown S/N was equipped with engine driven hydrauic pump. But you can´t do a general conclusion. It doesn´t mean that all other Mk.I were built with the same equippment. Same is with many other devices. Head armour is a good example, although some aircraft had this armor already in Spring 1940, it wasn´t a standard device untill end of 1940, and most, even significant majority, of Mk.I, didn´t have this armor.

I expect you know this: https://www.historynet.com/spitfire-from-the-sands.htm

I know the story as I've read a book about this aircraft. But it is Spitfire built in March 1940 (or end of February, can't remember now) so it has hand pump. Same situation is with another Spitfire One from the sands -. N3200. But it brings nothing to this discussion.
Edgar Brookes mentions that amendment was sent around April 1940.
The plane from film was built between 16th of May and June 6th or 11th. Why I say May 16th? Because it has standard factory painted fuselage roundels and finflash, which were introduced on that date.
I actually found three candidates from R- range delivered to 609 squadron: R6634, R6636 and R6637. All three left the line at the end of May and were delivered to the squadron on the same day - 4 th of June. You wanted serial numbers, didn't you?

The armour plates were fitted to all Spitfires during the BoB. First Spitfire squadrons to receive head armour were those which took part in the Battle of Dunkirk. I think R.S.Tuck mentioned that his mount received head armour shortly before flying to cover BEF in Dunkirk and it saved his life on that day. The only protection which was implemented at the end of 1940 was the the under the seat.

One more thing. Once I asked about early locations of voltage regulator. Your answer was that it's irrelevant detail. However, Eduard Spitfire do have the horn. I wonder why this thing is more relevant than early regulators?
I have to check if there is push/pull regulator for variable propeller in your company's kit.

Jestli jsem to dobre pochopil, tak v MiGu-19 kniha nebude.
Taky me docela udivuje, ze v nahledu obtisku je pouze 1 sada cs znaku. Ale tak treba to jeste Eduardi prehodnoti.
https://www.eduard.com/out/media/distributors/leaflet/leaflet2020-10cz.pdf

A kolik by jich mělo být, když z toho postavím jeden model?