Diskusní fórum modelářů

Tak v příspěvku pro p. Škopána zmiňujete jako doporučení v případě nedostatečného přilnutí obtisků použití obtiskových vodiček, a když se Vás v reakci na tvrzení o použití nedoporučené chemie v mém případě slušně zeptám, jakou bych měl tedy použít, odpovíte "vodu"?
Diskusi na této "úrovni" končím, pitomce si laskavě dělejte z někoho jiného.

Gut, čekal jsem že vyjde obyč. profipack, toto je samozřejmě ještě lepší

Vl.Šulc píše:Both is true, but for Mk.II only

Nope. Plastic seat was introduced in May 1940, hydraulic pump developed earlier but introduced in April 1940. First Marks II left CBAF in July. So you are wrong. Both modifications were implemented before Mark II entered production. And you must remember that plastic seat was not developed to replace metal seat but as an option, so I believe that Mk.II could also have metal seat. And you must keep in mind that first Spitfires Two were made from some parts delivered by Supermarine. So logically Mark II incorporated all latest improvements of Mark I plus new engine. And if you look at the photos of pilots sitting in the cockpit of Mark I, which unfortunately are not often clear, you may see gunsight bulbs located in a place characteristic for those Spitfires with hydraulic undercarriage pump.
I leave you with this to consider.

DominikS píše:

Vl.Šulc píše:Both is true, but for Mk.II only

Nope. Plastic seat was introduced in May 1940, hydraulic pump developed earlier but introduced in April 1940. First Marks II left CBAF in July. So you are wrong. Both modifications were implemented before Mark II entered production. And you must remember that plastic seat was not developed to replace metal seat but as an option, so I believe that Mk.II could also have metal seat. And you must keep in mind that first Spitfires Two were made from some parts delivered by Supermarine. So logically Mark II incorporated all latest improvements of Mark I plus new engine. And if you look at the photos of pilots sitting in the cockpit of Mark I, which unfortunately are not often clear, you may see gunsight bulbs located in a place characteristic for those Spitfires with hydraulic undercarriage pump.
I leave you with this to consider.

When you will find any clearly identified Mk.I (with serial number) equipped with plastic seat or engine driven pump, or even both, let me know. It is not joke, I´m really interesting in this matter, I try find some exact info in this matter already two years. When I set-up the research, I was also sure that it was like you writte, and maybe it really was, but there is no proof for such claim. So any correct information, document or so, is welcome. Note the popular information that the engine driven pump was instaled from 175th built aircraft is mistake, it is not true.

Olda Homola: nedělám z Vás blbce. Moje zkušenost je, že každý modelář má svoje vlastní postupy pro použití čehokoli, a v případě obtiskových vodiček to platí dvojnásob. Proto doporučuji, aby si každý svoji metodu vyzkoušel sám a pak ji používal podle svých zkušeností. Jak už jsem psal panu Škopánovi, dodáváme modelářům dostatek materiálu pro pokusy, takže by nemělo být složité si svůj postup sám otestovat a odladit.

Že vám lezu do rozepře, pánové: Oldo použil jste i "setter" nebo jen "softer"?

Zdravim pane Šulc. Budou doplňkové obtisky k Adlerangriff také 1/32? A budou také doplňkové sady obtisků na navé Spity? Musíte jich mít mrak co se nevešlo do stavebnic.... Dík.

Novinky na říjen jsou hooodně lákavý

Ano, budou. Na Adlerangriff 1/32. Na Spitfajra asi taky, ale vzhledem k tomu, že jsme do PP Spita I narvali tolik markingů, jako jindy do Limitky, ve skutečnosti jich je tam totiž osm, tak jsme tím uklidili poměrně dost velkých borců

Vl.Šulc píše:

DominikS píše:

Vl.Šulc píše:Both is true, but for Mk.II only

Nope. Plastic seat was introduced in May 1940, hydraulic pump developed earlier but introduced in April 1940. First Marks II left CBAF in July. So you are wrong. Both modifications were implemented before Mark II entered production. And you must remember that plastic seat was not developed to replace metal seat but as an option, so I believe that Mk.II could also have metal seat. And you must keep in mind that first Spitfires Two were made from some parts delivered by Supermarine. So logically Mark II incorporated all latest improvements of Mark I plus new engine. And if you look at the photos of pilots sitting in the cockpit of Mark I, which unfortunately are not often clear, you may see gunsight bulbs located in a place characteristic for those Spitfires with hydraulic undercarriage pump.
I leave you with this to consider.

When you will find any clearly identified Mk.I (with serial number) equipped with plastic seat or engine driven pump, or even both, let me know. It is not joke, I´m really interesting in this matter, I try find some exact info in this matter already two years. When I set-up the research, I was also sure that it was like you writte, and maybe it really was, but there is no proof for such claim. So any correct information, document or so, is welcome. Note the popular information that the engine driven pump was instaled from 175th built aircraft is mistake, it is not true.

Is this film good enough? If you look closely at one moment you can see the serial number wtarting with P. But they could have mistakenly install wrong device, of course.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8HIFc9xpguc&t=5s

Tomorrow I'll try to post some photos.

No, it isn´t. Unfortunately this is no name aircraft. No S/N shown, no date known. It is also not sure there is one aircraft only in the film. It has no value for research purpose.

Petr Martínek:

Vl.Šulc píše:No, it isn´t. Unfortunately this is no name aircraft. No S/N shown, no date known. It is also not sure there is one aircraft only in the film. It has no value for research purpose.

The date is between sending Spitfires to combat over Dunkirk and 6th June - it's indicated by roundels on lower surfaces. Black and white undersurfaces were replaced by Sky on 6th June. So you have the date. Before 6th June.
Any other information needed?

Tak můžete vybrat menší borce nebo spíš nestandartní markingy nebo kamufláže....

Dominik: Not necessarily. Is there one aircraft only on the film? Is really the same aircraft shown on the inside shots and on outer shots? What is S/N of the aircraft? What is history of the aircraft? Is it really operational aircraft, or a test piece for testing new devices? Which airport it is?

The mentioned date is also not sure. Are you sure the bottom surfaces are black/whitte? Are you sure they aren´t Black/Sky?

It is possible, that some Mk.I really had engine pump. I´m even pretty sure there were some such equipped Mk.Is around, but we don´t know which ones they were. And if you haven´t exact indication which aircraft had this device, you know nothing and you must use the standard device, which was hand pump. Same is valid for the seat and other devices.

Miroslav Knížek píše:Tak můžete vybrat menší borce nebo spíš nestandartní markingy nebo kamufláže....

No to můžeme, a asi to i uděláme. Ale jen ve stavebnicích bude už na výběr nějakých 18 mašin. Slovy klasika, kdo to má, tohle?